l8ight tires

[fmdd01]

Can somone tell me if their is an update on the tire problem i need tires to race.

local track is cutting season short because of it


Thanks Fred

:confused::confused:

[shocker]

Hey Fred.... go to page 6 of l8ight form

[losibob]

What tires are most of the 1/8 scale Dirt Late Model Guys Running ?? I see that The Stock Losi tires are discontinued So what has everyone found that works ??

[JGray]

Posted by Gary in L8 thread

Hi Cruiser,
Losi hasn't forgotton about all you late model racers out there. We have been working on a replacement for the GRP tire for some time now. We hope to be able to offer more information in a few weeks and ask that you all be patient. One of our greatest concerns is to insure that there will not be interuptions in supply and the consistancy of the product will be the best possible. I think you will all be pleased.
Gary
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Have Fun,
Gary Kyes
Team Losi

[Matt Sunderlage]

I found the OFNA Tires work well never tried the Losi's.

[jester401]

I just saw some new losi grp tires on ebay. price was less than I paid at my LHS.

[CCRCspeedway.com]

Well it has been a few weeks ......sure do wish they would let the cat out of the bag , and let us in on the tire deal..........

[corcarbill]

Any news yet?

:D

[Doug Gaut]

Go check out the losi site today. ;):D

[Loopedout]

They look awesome! I had my CC out and ready to order at 3am lol. Doug,how did these work compared to the 7758's?

[Doug Gaut]

Rome was not built in a day dude. :p

They are equal in performance but more stable which is great for new racers, work in loose dirt much better so if you get out of the groove you can save the car easier, work well on hard packed surfaces, non-directional so you can wear one side then switch sides and have new edges to wear and the best part is on the loose tracks we have tested on they leave the fluff on the surface instead of slicking/polishing them off like street treads do which means better grip for the sprints and edms that use buggy and truck pin tires as well as less tire wear for these classes. During testing at Tulsa the track stayed fluffed up all day long and it looked like we had been running sprints all day. This means better surface conditions for all the classes. :D

[Loopedout]

Its almost like you guys know what youre doing or something:D

[Gary NJ]

Doug - The Losi site only shows premounts on white wheels - will there be unmounted tires as well, and yellow premounts? TIA!

[Doug Gaut]

Gary, as far as I know these will only be available as premounts and on white wheels.

[Chris K]

and from my experience mounting these ultra low profile tires I think it's a GREAT idea to sell them only premounted!!!!! Then there's less opportunity to fiddle around with 20 different foams AND less oportunity to have to go to the emergency room to unglue fingers!!!!!!

BUT, when you get old you tend to look for the easy way to do things.....

:)

[Loopedout]

What is the rubber content % in the DLM tires and what shore were they?

[Gary Kyes]

Most of you now know about the DLM2 tires by now. Here is some information that will anser some questions you have probably been thinking about.
-These will come only mounted on a new stiff WHITE rims.
-There will be only one compound.
-These should be available before the end of the year.
-There should not be a shortage of these tires unless we get a sudden surge in sales at which point there will be only a short wait.
-We are still learning this class of racing but will try to keep a generous stock of these on hand.
-Since they are not diectional you can move them from side to side and front to rear to get more laps out of them.
-These were not designed or developed to be faster than the current tires although they could have easily been. It was actually a greater challenge to match the current grip level although in time I'm sure you guys will find a tenth or two.
-They are more forgiving and easier to drive. If you miss the line you do not slide out to the wall - you can drive a higher line. This should make for better side by side racing and allow the dufferent ability levels to run together without contact.
-They are also very easy on the track surface and leave the track in good condition for the 1/10 scale cars.
-Since these are so easy on the track you may find that they are more desireable than foams.

[Chris K]

Thanks for the update Gary!!!!!!

I'm really excited about this new tire - and I'm confident that it will serve us well here in the Midwest!!!


Uh Gary??? There's still time to get to Joplin, MO for the race this weekend - I'm sure that you can make that flight with onlyy 3 or 4 plane changes!!!!!!! :)

We'll keep you updated!!!!!!!!

[fmdd01]

Great info:)

[Gary Kyes]

You asked for it so here are some more detailed photos.
For those of you who thought we didn't care about you take a look at the inner liners. These are custom made exclusively for the DLM2 tires. There is no glue to fail. Chemicals should have a minimal effect of the rubber. And oh yea.... they fit like a glove!
It looks like we will have these in time for Christmas for all of you guys who were wondering what to ask Santa for. I don't know about you but I'm really looking forward to the Chili-Bowl.............

452

[ron1950]

gary where are these tires made? hope its not italy again lol lots of fires over there.....:)

[Gary Kyes]

Don't worry, these are not made in Italy. It was a tragedy that GRP suffered such a loss but the this did make a situation where we now have a better tire.
Gary

[craigv65]

thercshack.com has the new dlm2 tires/wheels in stock

[SHACK]

If TheRcShack has them in stock when will my local hobby shop get them? I've had them on order for several weeks. Any info?

[Doug Gaut]

Depending on when your shop placed the order I know that many of the shops will have them in tomorrow. :D

[tw78911sc]

Picked up a couple of sets today, they look great!

[deadon.ooo]

has anyone had problems with the new tire coming unglued and the tire tearing. we had a little club race this weeked and let with a bad taste in our mouth. the track is located in wilmingon,nc,hard packed clay oval with 320 center line.
there was 6 guys with the new tire and everyone tire came unglued. one guy tire tore. what happens is one part of tire comes unglued and the tire expand under trottle, cause the tire to balloon.
we are new to this oval 1/8 scale racing and having a blast driving.
not trying to say anything bad, we are now .going to reglue our tires and try it again nexit weekend.
for the record got 1.5 gal out of the set that came with the car

[SHACK]

I also had a tire come unglued wile practicing yesterday. I saw several that had the same problem at the local club race on Friday. This could be a real issue at the CBJ!

[Randy Jones]

I know in offroad, the running joke was Losi De-mount instead of premount. Several had issues with the pre-mounts coming unglued.

[Adam Sippel]

Has anybody tried running a little extra glue around the bead of the tire to keep this from happening?

[Gary Kyes]

Hi Guys,

There have been a few problems of bad gluing reported with the second delivery of the LOSI DLM2 tires. Please check these before running the tires. The bad ones have only a small bit of glue at the very edge of the tire and they can be pulled off when a sideways pulling force is applied. If you have gotten some with poor gluing please do one of the following:

1) Return them to your dealer in the box they come in for a refund.

2) Pull the tire bead from the wheel and using LOSI tire glue or similar re-glue them using sufficient glue on the flat glue flange of the tire.



If you have damaged tires due to poor gluing please send them to:

LOSI

4710 E. Guasti Rd.

Ontario, CA 91761

Attn: Gary Kyes



We will replace them as soon as possible.

We apologize for this problem and thank you for your help and understanding.

Thanks,

[Randy Jones]

That is great service there Gary.

[deadon.ooo]

thanks gary for the reply
this shows that losi is working hard to develope a good tire and will stand behind what they sell
hope that this proves to anyone desciding wheather to buy a losi or not that they back up what they sell
gary hope u get the glue thing worked out because i really like the look of the tire and buying premount tires help beginners alot
cannot explain the rush u get runnig 8 late models for 5 min all within 1 lap of each other and winning

[SHACK]

Does anyone know when the DLM2 tire will be available? I've had some on order at my local hobby shop for several weeks and I'm getting worried that they won't arrive before the Chili Bowl.

[Lars Johnson]

Shack, they're in stock (in the California warehouse) right now - http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=LOSA17757. Your LHS may need to redirect the b/o to come from there, but they showed in stock yesterday as well.

[SHACK]

Awsome, Thanks for the heads up! I look forward to racing with you at the CBJ.

[Lars Johnson]

No problemo, see ya there!

[Gary Kyes]

Chili Bowl was a Blast! You guys are great. We replaced a few tires but none that were handed out there. Quite honestly the problem has been smaller than we expected and I have to think that a lot of this is due to you guys doing as we asked and checking them before running. I ran four different sets of tires at the CB. Two I sauced the crap out of a week before I left and two sets I got there. None failed but I did notice that the tire dope seemed to get to the inner liners. In talking to some sedan racers they did say that tire dope can also kill the bond between the tire and the glue but that usually their tires were burned up in a day so the could get away with it.
Again, I have to thank all of you guys for your help and understanding.

[Matt Murphy]

I ran two sets at Chili Bowl. One set was doped up big time, the second was much more moderately sauced. Both sets worked well, however I think the set with less treatment actually worked better, wore less, and didnt have any glue or insert problems.

I heard a few complaints about inserts "breaking down" but these were all from racers heavily doping tires.

I love the new tire! Good Job LOSI!

Matt

[cooter]

I recently purchased a set of these tires and went to the local track that was very dry and low bit. I tested these tires and about two tanks of fuel i had two tires come unglued. I will be returning these tires and probably going with the Ofna set until the DLM figure something out. Just a heads up to those guys just starting out. Of to the track for more practice. Good luck and have fun.

Thanks Scott

[Matt Murphy]

The later batches have not had any ungluing isuues..... The first batch did, and it is likely this is what you got. Send them in to Losi ansd they will take care of them for you.

Matt

[cooter]

i believe these tires are coming unglued while running them. I know mine did and that really is a problem. So we have to drive the car to see if the tires come unglued! To me this is a pain in the butt. If we put alittle extra glue on them before testing do you think this will help the problem of returning them? Just a curious mind with nothing better to do but ask questions to help any or all racers.

Thanks Scott

[Doug Gaut]

Scott, if you take the tires and push the bead area with both thumbs using good force you will know pretty quick if they are going to come loose or not. The other reason the tires can come loose is the usage of wd40, pb blaster, liquid wrench, etc. These chemicals attack the glue just like when used on touring car tires and buggy tires.

[Matt Murphy]

Exactly as Doug stated... when new, push back on the bad, if it starts coming off, you need to either reglue the bead, or if you do not want to do that, contact LOSI and they will take care of it for you. Most of the first batch tires are gone, but there is no guarantee that there isnt any older sets in hobby stores.

Matt

[tw78911sc]

I have 2 sets of the second batch, they both pulled off the rim after 3 4 minute sessions on hard pack clay. You have to watch them.

[cooter]

Well Matt i got my new DLM2 in today and i did what you said and found on all the tires not completely glue. I just took my handy glue and started gluing the outside of the tires. They are perfect now and I'm ready for racing. Thanks for the heads up but the local track canceled due to much rain over the week so i have to wait or find another track close that's not flooded. OOOOhhhhwell i guess it is spring time.

Thanks Cooter

[Matt Murphy]

Cooter, glad you checked them.

In general, they are not becoming unglued during use, some are just not glued well... and that is when you see failures. I check every tire I run before they are ever used for a good glue job. I personally do not like the idea of trusting someone elses glue job, so I double check them...

I have had zero blowouts, and this is due to checking beads FIRST, running the tires second. Not running the tires first, and checking the beads second.

Tires are the most important parts of your setup, as they are the only part of your car touching the ground. Spend more time worrying about them than anything else....

Matt

[mowery1]

Has anyone had any trouble with the DLM2 tires baloonubg up and staying that way...I may post a pic of the wheel and tire...I've only had trouble with one tire out of a set of four. Last week it came unglued and balooned up so I worked it down a bit and re-glued. Today it stayed glued but balooned up and stayed that even after the race...craziest thing I've seen..Do the rims need holes drilled in them to possibly let the pressure out?? :confused:

[Matt Murphy]

I have heard of this in a few situations (3 now) but have no answer for you. Some guys are putting a hole in the tire so the air can escape, if this happens.....

Matt

[Doug Gaut]

At the Chili Bowl last year I had GRP tires with holes in the wheels thinking they would need holes like in the Ofna tires and all offroad tires. After a 4 minute run they were hot, ballooned up and had no traction. It took 45 minutes before they shrank down to the right size. Upon inspection the GRP tire had some serious blisters and wear on them. I taped up the holes and ran them again, no ballooing and the car had the standard grip that they had before I drilled the holes.

Same thing happens with the new DLM2 tire. One test session with the DLM2 tires the car was great then suddenly lost traction in the right rear causing the car to be really loose in the corners so I pulled the car off and found the tire ballooned up and hot. Once I let the tire shrink back down, glued the bead and went back out and the car was right on pace again.

Basically every ballooning instance I have encountered with either the GRP tire or the DLM2 tire was due to a loose bead causing an air leak and when these tires balloon up the contact patch is dimished causing a loose car and excessive heat in the tire. This is not to say that somebody might find a situation or application that holes do work better though. Stranger things have happened. ;)

[Matt Murphy]

Doug,
I was thinking the problem was a loose bead.... thanks for the insight! I have not had a bead come off of any of my rubber tires... GRP, OFNA, DLM2..... They all run as designed.

[Adam Sippel]

Matt,
That just means you're not running enough power. Muahahahahahaha!!!

[Matt Murphy]

My $150 Losi 350 engine got me 3rd at the Chili Bowl out of 75 cars on a 150ft run line track, as well as a 5th out of 75 cars at the Big Bills Money Race on a 300ft run line track... The little engine that could.....

[Matt Murphy]

Just got done with the BEST of the WEST Series Race #1, on a VERY HIGH BITE, Hard, Abrasive surface. The only tire failures I saw were from Massively doped tires, or cars that hit the wall hard enough to break a bead. One racer did have 2 tires break beads, and these were tires from the first batch, that were purchased in 2009. Those particular tiresa were never bead-checked..... So Please check your beads ASAP after buying tires, and before using them!

Matt

[Adam Sippel]

My first day out with the DLM2's. No major issues, they worked as intended and d@mn do they look cool. But I do have a concern. Below is a picture of the sidewall of one of my DLM2's. It seems the rubber is beginning to crack around the bead.

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h112/04Xterra/IMG_2064.jpg

[Matt Murphy]

Honestly it looks like you have been hittin the wall.... Clean that edge with rubbing alcohol on a toothbrush till it is good and clean, dirt free, and just glue the edge once again. I prefer LOSI Thick glue... the BLUE bottle... And they should be fine!

Matt

[Adam Sippel]

Matt,
I will give that a try.