Has anyone else just given up

[B-Lane]

Look. I love this truck.

I even helped many with the glow plug problems of the past but the ROSS system has just been one of the most high maintenance systems that I have seen in my 25 years of RC.

I like that so many have enjoyed this truck but It really takes too much of my time starting it. It does almost everything else very well (besides fuel economy)

Has anyone else just given up? Is there any word on a ROSS version 2.0?

[B-Lane]

BTW i was one of the first to get this truck. I started the entire Ten-T forum. I spent a lot of love/hate time on the work bench, on the track and in this forum. I loved it but now I question it's strongest selling point. That's all.

[atye]

i built a second ten-t out of a ebay rolling chassis but instead of using the ross i ,use the roto from speed nt (lucked up and fpound on on ebay) and its faster than stock truck and the has not been lean out as much,green is stock and store bought,and orange one is part built from ebay
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh175/atye_2007/d0013d85.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh175/atye_2007/77b6d497.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh175/atye_2007/3e9e8544.jpg

[john mfkn ross]

*** why so manny cars

[TripleC4]

Hey B-Lane i hear what your saying and i agree before running have to strip the car down to start it and even tho its quick its still a pain in the A*rse my thoughts on the OWB issue is its not the bearing at fault its the fuel/oil geting to it from the bad design of the cranshaft bearing in stopping the flow of fuel and oil probably why LOSI have not responded to the cries of help as this would be an incredible cost to them fixing them up, the bearing cost nothing. When started here back in Dec we have LOSI employee's come in and help out answer questions but not any more support gone B-Lane totally agree great truck crap starting system..

atye not sure what your point was other than go and but another Ten T from ebay !!!!!!!

[rollncavi017]

wow ayte you have alot of cars they look good tho!! back to the ross i have not had a single problem with mine i bout my first one two weeks after they came out and my second shortly after. i both of mine have the tank mod buggy wheels losi 8ight buggy wings and custom bodies. one has ross one has starter box and i race the one with the ross every weekend because it has proven to be more reliable to me becuase if it stalls i can restart it alot faster. and i have never had a single problem with the ross. although the starter box ten-t is faster less weight and less drag on the motor maybe i got lucky with my ross????

[painmaster]

Look. I love this truck.

I even helped many with the glow plug problems of the past but the ROSS system has just been one of the most high maintenance systems that I have seen in my 25 years of RC.

I like that so many have enjoyed this truck but It really takes too much of my time starting it. It does almost everything else very well (besides fuel economy)

Has anyone else just given up? Is there any word on a ROSS version 2.0?

Hey look at my hole

just use the lil tube on brake fluid can to spray it every few runs and no more OWB Probs

AND NO LOSI THIS IS NOT A COP OUT FOR YOU
WE SHOULD NOT HAVE THIS PROBLEM THE XXXNT ROTO START OWB IS AWSOME
SO IS TRAXXES REVO OWB SO WHY NOT THE TEN T YA YA I KNOW YOUR TO RICH ESCUSE ITS BULL CRAP

http://forum.losi.com/showthread.php?p=24877#post24877

[StrangeRanger]

B-Lane I feel ya man. But I come from a legacy of helis so I won't give up. If you think the ten-t is a PITA, you should have tried out early r/c helis. They were like p!ssin' up a rope. So many nights I would have rather beat myself w/ a hammer.
But thankfully good companies like Mikado and Align for example actually listened to their customers and would admit when they screwed the pooch. They didn't laugh on their way to the bank and ignore their customers. That's the reason they still have so many loyal customers and not customers who dis them.
It really is a shame Losi can't admit their mistakes.

[sandman]

I just bought an 2.0 buggy. May sell my modded Ten minus the radio system. I have already got about $700 into my ten

[m2cracing]

AtYE
You got waaaaay too many toys.

[eagle1niner]

i built a second ten-t out of a ebay rolling chassis but instead of using the ross i ,use the roto from speed nt (lucked up and fpound on on ebay) and its faster than stock truck and the has not been lean out as much,green is stock and store bought,and orange one is part built from ebay



Hey Atye,

I like the idea of using the roto start or a pull start. Are you able to access the roto start without issues when it's mounted on the Ten-T? It seems aweful tight in the rear of the vehicle. Do you just thread the roto-start shaft thru the suspension?

Eagle1Niner

[painmaster]

Hey Atye,

I like the idea of using the roto start or a pull start. Are you able to access the roto start without issues when it's mounted on the Ten-T? It seems aweful tight in the rear of the vehicle. Do you just thread the roto-start shaft thru the suspension?

Eagle1Niner

ya faster dont mean much in the dirt and the ross sys works awsome OWB needs care but other than that its all good

[atye]

can never have too many, :D

[B-Lane]

Well thanks for the input everyone. Maybe try the hole for the WD40 mod to give it one last chance. This is my first Losi RC vehicle. I used to run their aftermarket stuff 25 years ago when the company was run by Gil Losi. I'm a little disappointed with this product. My Traxxas has been more reliable. Go figure.

And Ayte... it is an addiction. I completely understand. I had 8th scale, 10th scale, 12th scale, minis, sedans, open wheeled cars, oval cars, carpet racers, on road, off road, helis, and even a trainer plane BUT I have never seen someone with so many of the same type of RC (off road trucks) before. Ever think of trying different things?

[Matt Murphy]

Most engines in the RC industry that have pull starts/roto starts/electric starts have one way bearing issues. It is the nature of the design. Is this an excuse...no! I worked in hobby stores for 8 plus years constantly tearing apart RTR cars to clean/replace one way bearings. I understand its not something people like to do, its something that needs to be done, just like shocks need to be rebuilt, and diffs need maintenance. Engine starting one way bearings fall into the same category. I understand your frustration guys, but it is a natural occurance in engines that run on fuel that has castor oils in it.

[painmaster]

Well thanks for the input everyone. Maybe try the hole for the WD40 mod to give it one last chance. This is my first Losi RC vehicle. I used to run their aftermarket stuff 25 years ago when the company was run by Gil Losi. I'm a little disappointed with this product. My Traxxas has been more reliable. Go figure.

And Ayte... it is an addiction. I completely understand. I had 8th scale, 10th scale, 12th scale, minis, sedans, open wheeled cars, oval cars, carpet racers, on road, off road, helis, and even a trainer plane BUT I have never seen someone with so many of the same type of RC (off road trucks) before. Ever think of trying different things?

we use brake cleaner not wd40 but i here that it works as well

[painmaster]

Most engines in the RC industry that have pull starts/roto starts/electric starts have one way bearing issues. It is the nature of the design. Is this an excuse...no! I worked in hobby stores for 8 plus years constantly tearing apart RTR cars to clean/replace one way bearings. I understand its not something people like to do, its something that needs to be done, just like shocks need to be rebuilt, and diffs need maintenance. Engine starting one way bearings fall into the same category. I understand your frustration guys, but it is a natural occurance in engines that run on fuel that has castor oils in it.

yes what you say is true all my racing years same holds true however i have alot of cars and trucks and i do have to say the 10t OWB is the worst and i would say my xxxnt roto start OWB is by far the best and then the revo OWB comes next cleaning them mabe 3 or 4 x a year if that the 10t OWB needs to be cleaned every day you run it or you will have a problem i dont mind much as its only after every day i run but it cold be better if this 10 t ever end up runing as good as my xxxnt than thats awsome the 10t and i will say it again even with the all the lil issues still out performs any and all rc 1/10 trucks!

[StrangeRanger]

Most engines in the RC industry that have pull starts/roto starts/electric starts have one way bearing issues. It is the nature of the design. Is this an excuse...no! I worked in hobby stores for 8 plus years constantly tearing apart RTR cars to clean/replace one way bearings. I understand its not something people like to do, its something that needs to be done, just like shocks need to be rebuilt, and diffs need maintenance. Engine starting one way bearings fall into the same category. I understand your frustration guys, but it is a natural occurance in engines that run on fuel that has castor oils in it.

As pain said, we all expect to do maintenance and upkeep, but to have OWB's fail after literally a handful, if that, of starts is BS. I've never had any other OWB's fail that fast or as often. Whether it's a bearing issue or an engine issue (too much blow by) it's definitely an issue they should admit and address. Oh, and never mind the fact it was almost impossible to buy replacements for ages. I just got a replacement ROSS unit after waiting 3 mos!!

[atye]

these are just my current vehicles , ihave owned a lot more , sold my eight buggy and truggy 1.0

[painmaster]

As pain said, we all expect to do maintenance and upkeep, but to have OWB's fail after literally a handful, if that, of starts is BS. I've never had any other OWB's fail that fast or as often. Whether it's a bearing issue or an engine issue (too much blow by) it's definitely an issue they should admit and address. Oh, and never mind the fact it was almost impossible to buy replacements for ages. I just got a replacement ROSS unit after waiting 3 mos!!

well to be truthfull when i have all my stuff out and setup to race i dont mind the OWB problem with the 10T however when i wanna just grab the truck and go out for a lil fun bashing it becomes such a problem to bring all my tools cleaner an everything to keep the 10t working that i am waiting for one more month and Losi dont have a fix for this i will buy a revo and put the ross electronics in it and now i will have an electronic start revo with no OWB problems if they fix it i get another 10 T for bashing

[Timmyp8823]

As pain said, we all expect to do maintenance and upkeep, but to have OWB's fail after literally a handful, if that, of starts is BS. I've never had any other OWB's fail that fast or as often. Whether it's a bearing issue or an engine issue (too much blow by) it's definitely an issue they should admit and address. Oh, and never mind the fact it was almost impossible to buy replacements for ages. I just got a replacement ROSS unit after waiting 3 mos!!

++++++++++++++1

[StrangeRanger]

well to be truthfull when i have all my stuff out and setup to race i dont mind the OWB problem with the 10T however when i wanna just grab the truck and go out for a lil fun bashing it becomes such a problem to bring all my tools cleaner an everything to keep the 10t working that i am waiting for one more month and Losi dont have a fix for this i will buy a revo and put the ross electronics in it and now i will have an electronic start revo with no OWB problems if they fix it i get another 10 T for bashing

I put a ROSS in my revo w/ a picco .26 red dot and love it.

[T-Ten-Mike]

I put a ROSS in my revo w/ a picco .26 red dot and love it.

will that engine fit the ten t?

[Gufle]

Hi all

I'm new to the forum, but have been reading for sometime now. And I must say that I can see many of the same problems with the Ten-T that you all have, Especially with the ROSS system, I have no idea why the so called engineers fused plastic to the metal gears!!!! That does not make any sence in my world, considering the stress that the teeth are under, in TDC! ... (as you may have under stood the ross system in non working in my machine!)
And too make matters worse, I live en Denmark, and I have had the Ten-t now for 1,5 months, and only run it once (break in on a stand), when I tried to start it the second time the gears in the ROSS broke ... No matter I will just order some new ones online... Nope, no danish companies even listed the spare part (I saw that one of them has gotten it on their list today) ... I tried a bump start, no joy, just grined the rubber wheel down....
But still I'm trying to get it to work, so now I have bought a spin startsystem that I will modify to fit the ten-t, trying to limit the amount of castor oil, getting to the OWB (chose one from HPI that fit) to prelong its life..

With the money I have spent on the truck I could have bought an 8ight-t with the same controller and a bumpstart ...

And the run time, it's a laugh (even though I have only run it once) ... :D I will have to try the 125 cc mod!!! ...

final notes... I thought the ROSS was a nice first time nitro buy'ers choice .... but i'm getting second thoughts! ... In therory the ROSS is nice, But the engineers need to do some peak force calculations on the gears, and come to the conclusion that they should have been made out of metal! ... :)

just my 2 cents... or 2 øre as the lowest currency in denmark is called ... :D

And I will get the truck to run!

\ Gufle

[Rygus]

This is true garbage are there any lawyers here interested in forming a alliance of us all together so maybe we can get Horizon Hobbies attention with these issues?

[kmf1982]

This is true garbage are there any lawyers here interested in forming a alliance of us all together so maybe we can get Horizon Hobbies attention with these issues?

There was a pretty long backorder recently on the Ten-T. I know this because I'm still waiting for mine (due in on Tuesday).

Maybe these issues are resolved in the new batch and we will hear an announcement???

[bparanoid]

According to losi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so8aNsr-VUk the system is fine, we are to blame haha. Apparently they needed a two part video series to defend an obvious flawed starting system.

[painmaster]

I put a ROSS in my revo w/ a picco .26 red dot and love it.

thats the plan show pix thanks

[StrangeRanger]

will that engine fit the ten t?

The ten-t's engine and the TRX 3.3 are basically the same motor so I would think it would fit. But I've not tried it. But man, that much power in this little truck... droooooolllll... that's almost pornographic sounding! LOL

The Picco in the Revo is stoopid power. I can't imagine what it would be like in the little ten-t.

[StrangeRanger]

thats the plan show pix thanks

I'll try to get some pics soon, but there's not much to see really. Picco .26 red dot w/ the TRX cheezy-start on it, ROSS unit and RX in the radio box (I've got an older 5309 Revo w/ the bigger radio box) and 2S RX pack.

Depending on what radio you're using there's really only 2 things to keep in mind. 1.) The "switch" on a ten-t is not a switch, it's simply a short. 2.) If you're not using a Spektrum radio, I use a Futaba 3PM, your 3rd channel should be reading high, about 0.4xx volts, when you're NOT starting the engine.

[sandman]

What about Losi giving away a free mini High Roller with a Ten-t purchase. That just makes me feel even more screwed. All of us that went out and bought ours in the first few months have had nothing but problems and now they offer freebee to sell it. Why not just fix it and support your customers instead of trying to give stuff away to make it sell.



Also, for you guys that are taking about the revo starter stuff . Why dont you just get rid of the ROSS control box and install the revo wiring harness and use the revo starter wand with the Losi starter motor?? My box went bad an few weeks ago and that is what I was going to do to eliminate it.

[Rygus]

What about Losi giving away a free mini High Roller with a Ten-t purchase. That just makes me feel even more screwed. All of us that went out and bought ours in the first few months have had nothing but problems and now they offer freebee to sell it. Why not just fix it and support your customers instead of trying to give stuff away to make it sell.


I agree I think they owe us all one due to the R&D we all have completed for them on our dime Cough it up losi and ask us for our addresses :mad:

[painmaster]

What about Losi giving away a free mini High Roller with a Ten-t purchase. That just makes me feel even more screwed. All of us that went out and bought ours in the first few months have had nothing but problems and now they offer freebee to sell it. Why not just fix it and support your customers instead of trying to give stuff away to make it sell.



Also, for you guys that are taking about the revo starter stuff . Why dont you just get rid of the ROSS control box and install the revo wiring harness and use the revo starter wand with the Losi starter motor?? My box went bad an few weeks ago and that is what I was going to do to eliminate it.

because i have no problems with the ross way beter than the wand thing OWB is the problem not the ross

[nanoali]

we use brake cleaner not wd40 but i here that it works as well
are you talking about use it like after run every time we run it?

[painmaster]

are you talking about use it like after run every time we run it?

No Well Kinda just spray into OWB after every day
look at the pix where i drilled the hole i tell you once you do this you will have very lil probs mine runs greatover 3 gallons of fuel with only one teardown full clean

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u208/painmasterrick/Losi%2010T/100_1836.jpg

[speedsaves]

i built a second ten-t out of a ebay rolling chassis but instead of using the ross i ,use the roto from speed nt (lucked up and fpound on on ebay) and its faster than stock truck and the has not been lean out as much,green is stock and store bought,and orange one is part built from ebay
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh175/atye_2007/d0013d85.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh175/atye_2007/77b6d497.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh175/atye_2007/3e9e8544.jpg

1st. Just out of curiosity I wanna hear why you think that the Ten T with the roto start is faster than the one with ROSS. 2nd. If in fact the rotostart is faster then why would you race the slower ROSS?

[nanoali]

No Well Kinda just spray into OWB after every day
look at the pix where i drilled the hole i tell you once you do this you will have very lil probs mine runs greatover 3 gallons of fuel with only one teardown full clean

Perfect, i didnt figure exactly where the hole was. thankyou Painmaster. ;)

[painmaster]

Perfect, i didnt figure exactly where the hole was. thankyou Painmaster. ;)

no probs after doing this you will love the 10T

[nanoali]

no probs after doing this you will love the 10T
look, i didnt have mayor problems with the OWB. to me the secret is prime enough the engine before try to start it. the second time i wanted to start my ten t the owb doesnt engage well, after that, i prime it (enough) and it start very quickly. Even in cold condition.
But this hole can help in the case that priming doesnt work. so again, thank you.

[painmaster]

look, i didnt have mayor problems with the OWB. to me the secret is prime enough the engine before try to start it. the second time i wanted to start my ten t the owb doesnt engage well, after that, i prime it (enough) and it start very quickly. Even in cold condition.
But this hole can help in the case that priming does work. so again, thank you.

i never either but this keeps it the OWB working all the time!

[TripleC4]

Im sorta having a problem working out how priming will fix the OWB issue, so you prime engine with fuel to push past the crankshaft and crankshfy bearing along the shaft to enter the OWB casing. Now we know the problem is fuel/oil making the OWB not function correctly.
Im going to try the hole and brake cleaner idea sounds more feasible.

[StrangeRanger]

I'm gonna try the hole / brake kleen thing too. I was gonna try it on my revo too, but the I forgot the starter assy faces the opposite way so I can't really put a hole where it needs it. Bummer. But, I guess it doesn't really matter as my TRX owb doesn't give me problems.

[Manolomax]

hey pain , do u have to remove the ross to drill the hole? or simply drill the hole in that place , and its done?

[painmaster]

hey pain , do u have to remove the ross to drill the hole? or simply drill the hole in that place , and its done?

no i did not remove the ross after drilling the hole and everytime the OWB messesup or every day after racing i spray some brake cleaner in turn the starter over spray it again sometimes repeat this 3 times and its all good again

[nanoali]

no probs after doing this you will love the 10T thankyou pain it works perfect!! My new prob is both servos. Throtle servo is dead and the steering servo has the prob of the shaft movement

[Manolomax]

thanks pain , nice work

[painmaster]

thanks pain , nice work

N/P Just sharing tricks for racing or bashing i would like to ad that i do not use any oil at all i think we all can agree the the Engine sprayback is enough

[Tank82]

Im glad to hear about this I myself have thought about adding the TEN to my collection I think ill just save up a little extra and get another truggy or buggy the seem to have less problems and are all around awesome riggs!!!:cool:

[Manolomax]

can i use WD40 instead of brake cleaner?

[painmaster]

can i use WD40 instead of brake cleaner?

i dont know! All i can tell you is use brake cleaner with lil hole and you will be amazed

[xprestonex]

can i use WD40 instead of brake cleaner?

Thats all I use is WD40 and have never had to replace my OWB with 1 and half gallons of fuel through it. to date.

[painmaster]

Thats all I use is WD40 and have never had to replace my OWB with 1 and half gallons of fuel through it. to date.

i never had to replace the OWB

in any of my cars

i tell you brake cleaner is the way to go

[Manolomax]

i drill the hole , and i used WD40 and works great , excellent idea pain , im with u , ross system is great , put the OWB not

[painmaster]

i drill the hole , and i used WD40 and works great , excellent idea pain , im with u , ross system is great , put the OWB not

thats great to know because if i run out of brake cleaner at the track i always have WD40 with me